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, fiscal cliff threatening the economy, but maybe not? we take it all up with moody's chief economist, and deutsche bank senior economist here next. stay with us. lou: you know, it may surprise some that december is historically the strongest month for investors. the s&p500 posting gains in december, 82% of the time since 1990. it's that 18% that should trouble folks, but are concerns with the fiscal cliff giving investors a reason to be less than optimistic? joining me is john, and carl, senior economist for deutsche bank. gentlemen, thank you for being here. start with the treasury secretary. the man in charge of our treasury is out telling everyone that the administration he works for is a part of is perfectly prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in order to raise a tax rate to 39.6%. does that make any sense to you? are you shocked, surprised? >> well, i guess i'm not surprised given we're in the early stages of the discussion, but for the economists and forecasters out there calling this is the fiscal slope, not a cliff or believe it's worthwhile to go over the cliff, it's not th
the waiting game to see if country and the president take the economy off the fiscal cliff, president obama says he will not play the debt ceiling game again. but he is taking a few more shots in the public relations game. turning the screws on republicans, a little bit more. chief white house correspondent ed henry starts us off tonight. >> reporter: finally the blame for stalled budget talks on republicans, president ratcheted up the lesh on john boehner. >> no one wants to have this done more than me. >> reporter: telling agencies to watch for massive spending cuts from going over the fiscal cliff and warped the business exectives the economy could take another hit if the republicans decide to extend the middle class tax cut to avoid the cliff for now. then come back with more leverage. to tie it to a hike in the debt ceiling. >> we are 23409 going play that game next year. if congress in any way suggests that they are going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, take us to brink of default again, i will not play that game. >> republicans held their own meeting with small business ow
said the obama administration is now willing to go over the fiscal cliff. moody's chief economist, deutsche bank senior u.s. economist telling us just how much that will hurt the economy and the markets,nd, of course, investors and everyon in this country in today's money lineup, news on the economy brought life to wall street today inspiring some investors, the news an unexpectedncrease in factory orders up for a second straight month, and the biggest gains in productivity in the third quarter in two years. business activity, along with new orders, showing their biggest gains last month since the first quarter. stocks finished off their highs. the do up 83 appointmes at the close. the s&p gaining 2.25, and the nasdaq under the weight and prsure of the biggest stock, apple, dropping 23 points. volume today rising to alst 4%.2 billion shares. app 8 stock, as i said, today, laggerred and immense weight on e ma. that stock fell 6.5%, $37, and concerned about the lack of new products on the horizon, concern increased competition in the market might force apple to cut margins to remain
the administration absolutely it prepared to let the economy go over the fiscal cliff unless the republicans accept higher tax rates on the healthy. and the southern philippines struggled to recover from a typhoon that killed nearly 300 people. and what does a day in the life of public buses, trains and subways look like? the answer is part of our science roundup online. hari sreenivasan has the details. >> sreenivasan: the image resembles a lite-bright time lapse. find those pictures and our conversation with a software developer who set out to visualize the 24-hour cycle of urban public transit systems. that's on our homepage. an international telecommunications conference in dubai aims to set new rules for the internet. what's at stake? we take a look in the rundown. and on making sense, economics correspondent paul solman argues both sides of the capital gains tax debate. all that and more is on our website newshour.pbs.org. judy? >> woodruff: and that's the "newshour" for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. >> ifill: and i'm gwen ifill. we'll see you online and again here tomorrow evening. thank you a
. the -- the economy is going into recession in new year. lou: do you believe there is no way to avoid the fiscal cliff.
: is anyone else sick of talking about the fiscal cliff? a year ago facing a stagnant economy and long term deficit everybody in washington agreed they should come together to make the tough decisions that had to be made. something that would provide short-term stimulus but long-term debt relief. after all we all knew something had to be done. the health of our nation depended on it. washington surprise, surprise, decided to delay for the umpteenth time kicking the proverbial can down the road. then the campaign really heated up and we were told we would have our sweet relief after the election. finally the story went voters would provide clarity, a choice played out across the country that would deliver the elusive answers. what are we getting? endless posturing game playing and the same rhetoric over and over again. both sides standing up and preening themselves campaign style as if they expect the public to pay attention and give deference to the repetition of the same ideas. i for one are tired of it. americans have been poked and prodded, pulled left and right at the same time and used
back in place. it depends on how much you think going over the fiscal cliff will affect the economy. others say it will be devastating and others say it will be back. it depends on where you stand when you are making these sort of analyses. megyn: it feels like we are left with the economy -- with people's livelihoods and growth in the country and salaries and unemployment benefits. we are just left. both sides are accusing the other of being the untethered risk taker. last night speaker boehner made remarks demanding leadership on the president. here he is. >> this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. this is a moment for adults leadership. megyn: is there a political risk to the president? is there a political risk to him in looking a little too bashful little too smart, as they say, when it comes to this game? >> sure, there are political risks all around for both sides. he saw the president today. he has been doing this and will be doing more of it. trying to clean outside game and put pressure on and make the public put pressure on members o
later when the economy is at full employment. >> how do you rebel against the fiscal cliff idea? paul, if you listen to boehner and his plan, he sort of says it's erskine bowles plan. is it possible to rebel against an idea marching along? we're on day 29, heading into day 28. >> i get excited when i hear david say things so far outside the box. but this is washington. i guess it's not air box, it's a beltway here. and we are in this debt mania. there is a long term crisis on debt. i think david would agree with that. if you actually go back and read what my old boss and his partner wrote almost two years ago now, they said these things, these cuts in tax increases should be back loaded so we don't damage the economy. in the president's proposal, he does have a small infrastructure bank program to try to jump-start some growth, so i think it's a good idea. raising tax rates on the rich. i saw your interview with senator coburn. he is committed to debt reduction. he has really put in the time here and i admired his work on this. but even a guy like senator coburn who was on the commiss
is. plus, governors are warnings that a failure to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff could mean havoc for state economies. they're telling congress to get together and get something done. i'll talk with two governors who met the president just a few hours ago, but first in today's money minute, here's a look at the markets. ♪ ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male announcer ] more people are leaving bmw, mercedes and lexus for audi than ever before. take advantage of exceptional values during the season of audi event. gives you a low $18.50 monthly plan premium... and select generic hypertension drugs available for only a penny... so you can focus on what really matters. call humana at 1-800-808-4003. five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop m
the fiscal cliff will not just impact the national economy but have a lot of impact on state and local economies, as well, and their state budgets, et cetera. the president, though, is standing firm. and jake carney saying unless the republicans give in on tax rates and raise the bush tax rates on the rich, there is no deal and the president is willing to go off the cliff. they hammered speaker boehner's proposal. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we are talking about in terms actual legislation to increase revenues it is magic beans and fairy dust. >>reporter: it doesn't sound like they are ready for a compromise. he said they do not take speaker boehner's proposal seriously enough to offer a counterpropsal so the white house believes the ball is still in the republicans' court. >>shepard: but speaker boehner has moved, if shiply and if for the first time in public but he has moved. >>reporter: he has. he is not willing yet, not yet, anyway, willing to raise tax rates. in speaker boehner's proposal he put revenue, tax revenue of $800 billion on the table. you her the white
the fiscal cliff and get the economy back on track. but he says it's going to take some sacrifice. here's a look at the president shaking hands with business leaders about 15 minutes ago and he's calli for tax increases on the wealthiest americans and an extension of tax rates for the middle school. talks have fallen apart in recent days. but the president insists he's working with republicans to try to get a deal. republicans are willing to cut -- >> reporter: republicans are willing to cut loopholes. here's what john boehner said. >> the revenues being put on the table are gonna come from guess who? the rich. >> reporter: republicans say it's clear to them that president obama is not serious about negotiating. reporting live from washington, d.c., alison burns, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> 8:17. we asked some people in the bay area whether they think the president and congress will reach an agreement on the fiscal cliff by the end of the year. >> they both have this position that they are not willing to back down from. i don't think they will reach it. >> i'm hoping and praying that they
all, be all to not go over the fiscal cliff? keeping that in mind, would that wreck havoc in the business community? >> yeah. i can't speak for all business leaders but generally speaking a tax hike, a rate increase is not good for the economy especially at this time. this process is very disappointing. after everything we have been through and after the cam pin and the election, it seems like it's still a same tactical political poker it's always been. and the problem here is the world is watching. and it's almost like our system is being tested. can these guys still -- can these folks, these people, the congress, can the system still solve problems? >> we're -- the system is being tested by the very people who are -- which is odd. >> i know. >> they don't have to test it. they don't have to test the system. they can come to agreement without testing the system or that close. >> they should be able to. right, right. what i'd want to do is a spirit of, boy, get this done and forget parties. think of the nation. >> yeah. >> you don't see that. now, what speaker boehner said
. the president yesterday on the fiscal cliff. >> obama: let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2% that includes all of you guests but not in anyway that is going to affect your spending, your lifestyles or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see a single dime in tax increases next year. 97% of small businesses don't see a single dime of tax increases next year and by doing that alone we raise almost a trillion dollars. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: associated press says the white house is signalling president obama is willing to let the country go over the cliff. this is a choice of the republican party if they are willing to do higher rates on the country, there is a lot to talk about, if they are not, they will push us over the cliff. tim geithner said there is no prospect in an agreement that doesn't include the tax rate going up on the top 2% of americans. he said we are not prepared to have the american economy held hostage to periodic threats. >> there you go. >> stephanie: and he point
there'd been no progress on a fiscal cliff deal. but stocks rose later, on news that the economy grew at an annual rate of 2.7% in the third quarter. the dow jones industrial average gained more than 36 points to close well above 13,021. the nasdaq rose 20 points to close at 3,012. the united nations general assembly voted today to recognize palestine as a non- member observer state. the tally was 138 to nine, with 41 abstentions. the u.s. voted no. it came after palestinian president mahmoud abbas appealed to the world body to issue the birth certificate of palestine. >> we did not come here seeking to delegitimize a state established years ago, and that is israel. rather, we came to affirm the legitimacy of a state that must now achieve its independence, and this is palestine. >> sreenivasan: palestinians said the vote would strengthen their hand in future peace talks with israel. but the israeli ambassador to the u.n., ron prosor, warned that the palestinians are turning their backs on peace. >> for as long as president abbas prefers symbolism over reality, as long as he prefers to
's no compromise and we end up going off that fiscal cliff, and then there's a sharp cut in government spending. that could push the economy into a recession, raising the unemployment rate and that could push home values back down, wolf. >> a serious problem for a lot of people. let's hope we don't go over that fiscal cliff. >> fingers crossed they will reach a compromise. i don't think there's anyone out there that wants to see us go over that fiscal cliff. >> that would be bad. but the clock is ticking. only a few weeks left. >>> the biggest problem between the united states and mexico and how to solve it. i'll speak with mexico's new president. my exclusive interview is just ahead. this line is a convenienc. how you doing today? i'm good thanks. how are you? i'm good. [ gordon ] but for others, it's all they can afford. every day nearly nine million older americans don't have enough to eat. anything else? no, not today. join me, aarp, and aarp foundation in the drive to end hunger by visiting drivetoendhunger.org. i tell them dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times
, anything? >> reporter: you know this. the fiscal cliff is going to have a huge impact on the economy. in fact, a big european economic group this week dialed back its estimates for u.s. economic growth this year. and other economists are warning that things may not be so rosie, partly because of concerns about the cliff. now, businesses are already cutting back, even though corporate profits are up. and when you look at today's report, here's the interesting part, carol. government spending, federal government spending is a huge reason why the economy grew in q3. it rose 9.5%. but here's the thing. if you slash that government spending, if and when the fiscal cliff goes into effect, that can really eat into gdp and is part of the reason the congressional budget office has said if we do go over the cliff, the u.s. could go back into a recession. carol? >> alison kosik at the new york stock exchange. >>> well, someone is waking up this morning as a multimillionaire. winning tickets for the powerball's record-breaking $580 million jackpot were sold in arizona and missouri. last night's
, going to talk about syria, going to talk about the fiscal cliff impact on the world economy, and of course, the baby. coming out of buckingham palace. eventually. also, republicans are now out with a counteroffer on the fiscal cliff. congressman becerra is going to join us. republican ron johnson from the state of wisconsin will discuss the fiscal cliff and the negotiations for that, as well. plus the truth about all those myths that your parents told you. should you run with scissors? no, of course not. can you swim after you eat? no, of course not. the all-time jeopardy champion ken jennings has a new book out where he researchers all these myths and breaks it down. >> it's so funny. >> yes, yes. it's ahead this morning at the top of the hour on "starting point." >> oh, wow. thanks soledad. >> coming up, about catherine duchess of cambridge, right? and her royal bun in the oven and how we now have eight more months of speculation whether it's a boy or a girl, what they're going to make it. we're going to talk to elizabeth cohen when morning sickness is so terrible you go t
over the fiscal cliff that that would have a negative impact on the economy, he would say rather that by bringing the deficit down, by having the prospect of lower inflation in the future, that will be good for interest rates and that would be good for the economy in the coming years. jenna: what would he say to those american citizens, though, that say, listen, over the fiscal cliff, i'm afraid of that, i don't even want to entertain the possibilities of what that would look like. >> i think when it comes to issues such as the extension of unemployment benefits, social security, medicare, freidman would have argued that it's the better course to cut spending in those areas now rather than defer indefinitely on making real spending cuts. the current agreement was hammered out in august of 2011. what typically happens is that spending cuts are promised in the future, but they never materialize, the taxes are raised anyway. that is exactly what would happen under this circumstance, taxes would be raised, spending cuts would be promised in the future but when that deadline is reache
're going to talk about the fiscal cliff, we're going to talk about the global economy. we're going to talk about the civil war in syria. we'll talk about the royal baby coming soon. first we want to get right to zoraida sambolin for an update on the day's top stories. >> soledad, the fiscal cliff debacle, with 28 days remaining before drastic tax hikes and spending cuts take effect, a republican spending plan has been rejected by the white house. brianna keilar is live from washington. what now, brianna? >> well, right now it's about the pressure building and the clock kicking, zoraida. as house republicans in the white house try to ultimately broker a deal between two very different plans. house speaker john boehner's counteroffer, if you take a look at the headlines from this $800 billion in what would be savings from tax reform. so that is new tax revenue. but not done by increasing income tax rate on the wealthiest. but instead by closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax credits. and also $600 billion in health savings. that's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medica
fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. if you look at the markets worldwide and the economies and the auto industry, nearly a third of the market will be north and south america. a third will be europe and russia and africa. and about a third of the market will be asia pacific. and in china's case, to your point, china now has replaced the united states as the largest auto market. the chinese veitremendous respe for history. they know about henry ford and lincoln. so we'll be bringing the first lincoln vehicles to china in 2014. >> alan mulally, ford president and ceo. thank you for coming on. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> now this. an infant left without her parents after an nfl player just snaps. and now as a city mourns, sportscaster bob costas goes off on gun control. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. >>> if syria's chemical weapons are on the move, who's watching them? and where do they end up? >>> plus, as eight more people die in chicago -- >> we walk through a front door that was wide open. you can see the equipment is here. this was defunded by the program because they couldn't fi
. so the question is is the president serious about avoiding the fiscal cliff. we know pain in this country is bad on the economy. it would only broad and deep fn we hit a double dip recession. is the president serious about avoiding that cliff and if not, why not. i think some people are wondering -- megyn: do you think it is a matter of principle for the president? chris fire walt cam -- chris stt with a piece to say it's an ideological commitment on the part of the president to make the rich pay more and to give others more. for him it's an ideological mission to take the money from high income and give to it people who don't have as much. >> i agree with chris he said that. that's what he wants to do. but the curious part to me is you had quite a few lawmakers on the republican side of the isle start t --side of the aisle stao crack. they are willing to come to table and play ball. but the president is on the campaign trail and upping the states with totally ludicrous suggestions and plans like the one if you can call it that, the one he put out last week which is totall
't have a fiscal cliff. >> we fell off of it. >> yes, we did. >> is it a dangerous cliff? >> it seems to be. >> how do you feel about it? >> i'm a middle class woman. what do you think. >> so is the president on the naughty or the nice list? >> he's definitely naughty. >> what is he getting for christmas? >> nothing from me. >> i don't know whether to laugh. >> sean: i'm crying. >> first of all, it's a reminder how extraordinary ronald reagan was that when he took a topic, he explained it to the country in oval office addresses where half the country with tune in because they took the president seriously. we now have an entertainment president who operates and who won the election operating at the level of entertainment and he has dealt with this entire issue at the very shallow level, and so nobody knows what it's all about. i think this is part of why when i see polls, i don't pay any attention to them right now. it's kind of like you go out to people and say would you like to tax somebody else? okay. >> sean: i'm polled out. >> the average american is polled out. >> sean: you have
that, a lot of dough being thrown around. >> brian: how much do you know about the fiscal cliff? >> it reminds me about something i probably learned in school. but some type of cliff, the economy going pow. >> isn't that the government? this is embarrassing. >> brian: how many people really know what it is and what it means? we hit the streets. >> steve: indeed, and bob costas and his no spin zone to defend his half time gun control rant. what did he say and what does former nfl player think? he will join us live to react this hour. "fox & friends" hour two for thursday starts right now. >> gretchen: i thought the same thing that scarlet johansson was in times square answering ainsley's question. i thought what, a lucky day for steve and brian that yesterday they would have petra and today scarlet. >> brian: and the day before, victoria secret models. >> gretchen: what a week! >> steve: one of the young people when did respond said fiscal cliff, that sounds like something i probably studied in school. no. this is new. this is something that they've just fresh baked up for us. >>
are willing to make sure we don't go over this fiscal cliff but at the same time don't harm this economy. what has to happen here if the president shows a little leadership we are willing to stay in the room and stay here and we are willing to get this done. that's why you saw a proposal that is raoeubl reasonable that meets his criteria. >> reporter: steny hoyer said in the next few days we will see substantive movement in private to get this done. jenna: we'll continue to watch the play-by-play, mike, thank you. jon: right now we are continuing to await a speech by former president george w. bush, the speakers are taking to the podium there to get ready to introduce the former president. he is set to address a conference there in dallas, where he will spotlight the positive impact of immigration on u.s. economic growth. this as the g.o.p. looks to attract more hiss to the party. meantime mr. bush's father, former president george h.w. bush is spending another day in the hospital being treated for bronchitis and a lingering cough. we told you about that last week when we first found out that
of the u.s. are solid, despite the fiscal cliff concerns coming out of washington. she says stocks could get hit in the early part of the area if we go over the fiscal cliff, but the fundamentals of the economy are still good. >>> all right. apple stock dropped more than 6% yesterday. shares were down about half a percent in pre-market trading this morning. no concrete news pushing them down, but today there's another hearing in the patent case with samsung in california. and a tech research report generatored a lot of buzz that apple's tablet competitors could eat into its market share. >> interesting. >> thanks, christine. >>> well, the good news is, let's do the fiscal cliff and the good news. and it's not very much. but at least the two sides are talking, by phone. not face to face. house speaker john boehner and the president are hoping to break the fiscal cliff ice. now we're just mixing metaphors, left and right. speaking on the phone, 26 days left, of course, until we tumble over the cliff or slide down the slope or fall off the precipice or however you want to put it. we could,
ramifications if we go over the fiscal cliff. listen to what he just told me. >> in the global economy as a whole, there's a lack of confidence, there's a worry about where it's going. if you can sort out this issue, then even though that doesn't sort out all the problems of the american or global economy, it would be a big boost, i think. >> i think everyone wants to avoid going over the fiscal cliff, although there are an increasing number of democrats who say we'll go over the fiscal cliff, the republicans will be blamed for that. that will be good for the democrats. >> this is not about politics but about fairness and making sure when it comes to, as prime minister blair said, when it comes to making sure we give the global economy the certainty it needs and the stability that it needs, we have to reach an agreement so we don't go over the fiscal cliff. but quite frankly, president obama made it very clear, democrats have made it clear and the american people made it clear there has to be a balanced plan that cannot balance our reduction on the backs of the middle class. we're read
in that direction? >> look, republicans are willing to make sure we don't go over this fiscal cliff, but at the same time don't harm this economy. what has to happen here, the president shows a little leadership, we're willing to sit in the room, we're willing to get this done. that's why you saw a proposal that's reasonable, that meets his criteria, that sets out -- martha: all right, well, let me ask you this then, congressman. in your proposal there are some changes to medicare in terms of increasing the age of eligibility. if the white house were to come back and say we would go along with some of those changes, which they in the past i should point out and as you well know have said that's not imoacial, if they were willing to do that, would you be willing to give them tax revenue which they seem to be, you know, committed to getting? it doesn't, the way they want it isn't in increased tax rate. is that a negotiation if those two things were to happen? >> understand what's transpiring here. the president said on the campaign trail he wanted 800 billion in revenue. we're providing him 800 billio
discussing the fiscal cliff. i think the shared concerns of governors that we address are fiscal challenges in a way that ensures the economy continues to grow and create jobs. with that, i'll take your questions. >> thanks, jay. two questions. in the bloomberg interview, the president was asked whether tax rates on the wealthiest americans have to go to the clean ton levels, 39.6% now. is that a red line? he never answered it directly, a process where rates could go down next year as far as tax reform. you talked with fiscal rates need to go up. what he campaigned on was the 39.6 at the end of the year. is that the case? >> so, let me say this, the president has been absolutely clear, as have i, that rates have to go up on top earners, on millionaires and billionaires, those making over $250,000. the president made that clear all yearlong and clear in the post-election period being engaged in conversations with congress about how to deal with the fiscal cliff, and our long term deficit challenges. we have yet to see even an acknowledgement of republican leaders of the fact that there is no
of the fiscal cliff. >> eliot: you're saying something hugely important. alan greenspan did try to create the impression that the market and the economy was one and the same. that was a huge mistake the financialization of our economy. that's what led to the cataclysm in 2008. perhaps more important, the point you made, you're right there are a lot of people who are trying to create the fear, the cassandras that i referred to the top of the show who are behind that argument who say now you must do what we want. they want corporate tax cut. am i right? they're sliding something in there that is not directly related to the issue that we're supposed to be directing. >> everyone is doing that. doing the negotiation with the union or any other negotiation you start off with what speaker boehner is calling your la la land proposal. you start off with what you want, and then you work from there. both sides have staked out their dream position, and that's not where we're going to wind up, but that's where you starter and it's kabuki theater, as you said. >> eliot: the components that may not be a
next year. the doom and gloom of the fiscal cliff hides an important point about our economy. we play our cards right, america could be headed for another economic renaissance. short-term indicators are looking good. jobs are being created, consumer debt is shrinking. the housing market is making a comeback. forget silver linings, housing has been the golden lining around the economic cloud hanging over the country. mortgage rates are expected to stay low through 2014. home affordability is as good as it it's been in generations. that's going to attract buyers who spent the last few years waiting for prices to bottom out. that's going to help millions of homeowners who currently owe more on their homes than the home is worth. the home prices rising, confidence will return. and longer term prospects also have some real hope in america. we're in the midst of a domestic energy boom that will fuel growth for years to come. advances in horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing, you've heard it as fracking, have changed the economics of natural gas recovery. that sent prices way down, lo
the crux of this fiscal cliff negotiation -- what these fiscal cliff negotiations are all about. they're about fairness. when the president and congressional democrats talk about the need for balanced approach, to deficit reduction and dealing with the fiscal cliff, we're talking about fairness. we're talking about making sure that if you work hard and play by the rules everyone has a chance to succeed. that the middle class needs certainly tight right now. speaker pelosi and my colleague congressman tim walls, filed a discharge petition today to take the bill that we have, that has already passed the senate, that grants certainty to the middle class, to take that bill up and make sure that we can extend the middle class tax breaks before the holidays where we can give -- that's what everyone agrees on. i don't know any republican or democrat that thinks we should let those tax rates -- tax cuts for the middle class expire. so we should pass that now. and then on the things that we're having more trouble agreeing on, we should sit down at the table. the one thing i can assure you, the
, new york. >>> starbucks ceo says going over the fiscal cliff is a bitter brew for the global economy. ali is back with more on that. >>> plus, time to buy apple stock? that's next. [ male announcer ] truth is, dayquil doesn't work on runny noses. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have an antihistamine. really? [ male announcer ] really. alka-seltzer plus cold and cough fights your worst cold symptoms, plus has a fast acting antihistamine to relieve your runny nose. [ sighs ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus. ♪ oh what a relief it is! ♪ [ male announcer ] can't find theraflu? try alka-seltzer plus for fast, liquid, cold, and flu relief. ♪ >>> democrats need to own up to taxes because they can't have their cake and eat it, too. from the cnn money newsroom, i'm ali velshi. this is "your money." i'm going to tell you what others won't about the fiscal cliff. the head of starbucks said it will damage the u.s.'s reputation and shenanigans from capitol hill and with a cool 500 bucks to spend, should you use the
a major hit if, in fact, the nation goes off the so-called fiscal cliff. his spokesman jay carney was even tougher in going after speaker john boehner's latest proposal in saying it simply doesn't add up. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> the bottom line is the president and speaker boehner have not spoken now in several days. so there is really no signs of progress. there has been some discussion that look that's just happening in public. behind closed doors maybe they are gaining some ground, i have spoken to some top white house officials tonight some top republicans on the hill they say in private they are not making progress either, shep. >> shepard: republicans say they have offered some compromises. >> they have in the sense that speaker boehner with his policy late yesterday put $100 billion in new tax revenue on the table. that was a concession by him but not far enough as you noted for the white house because the white house wants him to not just raise tax reve
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